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Zell Miller nailed the liberals last night
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Mike Smith
2004-09-02 11:12:43 UTC
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A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1

And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.

Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.

Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to
shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security
but Americans need to know the facts.

The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.

The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes
against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.

The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's
Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator
Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.

The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those
Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles,
that Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and
this very city after 9/11.

I could go on and on and on: against the Patriot Missile that shot
down Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel; against the Aegis
air-defense cruiser; against the Strategic Defense Initiative; against
the Trident missile; against, against, against.

This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S.
Armed Forces?

U.S. forces armed with what?

Spitballs?

<end quote>

If you missed his speech, you really missed a passionate, old-time
barn-burner of a speech.

Mike Smith


http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html

A definitive history of the US and Mid East over the last several decades:
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/podhoretz.htm

Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.
cory
2004-09-02 12:44:03 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Wow, I missed that last night, but I'd have to say I'm impressed. It's
the sort of speech that would have persuaded Dennis Miller to switch
sides, if he hadn't done so already. I can imagine, though, the groans
of disgust emanating from those of my friends and acquaintances who are
either liberal, or French, or both.
mh
2004-09-02 16:02:58 UTC
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Post by cory
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Wow, I missed that last night, but I'd have to say I'm impressed. It's
the sort of speech that would have persuaded Dennis Miller to switch
sides, if he hadn't done so already. I can imagine, though, the groans
of disgust emanating from those of my friends and acquaintances who are
either liberal, or French, or both.
Word on the street that last night was a fine display of the hate that
animates conservative Republicans everywhere. Of course, it's no
wonder then that Mike Smith now appears with a hard-on for Zell, does
it.

I found this little post-Zell bit to be very enlightening:

THE MILLER MOMENT: Zell Miller's address will, I think, go down as a
critical moment in this campaign, and maybe in the history of the
Republican party. I kept thinking of the contrast with the Democrats'
keynote speaker, Barack Obama, a post-racial, smiling, expansive young
American, speaking about national unity and uplift. Then you see Zell
Miller, his face rigid with anger, his eyes blazing with years of
frustration as his Dixiecrat vision became slowly eclipsed among the
Democrats. Remember who this man is: once a proud supporter of racial
segregation, a man who lambasted LBJ for selling his soul to the
negroes. His speech tonight was in this vein, a classic Dixiecrat
speech, jammed with bald lies, straw men, and hateful rhetoric. As an
immigrant to this country and as someone who has been to many Southern
states and enjoyed astonishing hospitality and warmth and
sophistication, I long dismissed some of the Northern stereotypes
about the South. But Miller did his best to revive them. The man's
speech was not merely crude; it added whole universes to the word
crude.

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2004_08_29_dish_archive.html#109409893313020605

(You should track down the transcript from Zell Miller's post-speech
interview on CNN, where he was eviscerated by the hosts.)
CJT
2004-09-02 16:20:46 UTC
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Post by mh
Post by cory
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Wow, I missed that last night, but I'd have to say I'm impressed. It's
the sort of speech that would have persuaded Dennis Miller to switch
sides, if he hadn't done so already. I can imagine, though, the groans
of disgust emanating from those of my friends and acquaintances who are
either liberal, or French, or both.
Word on the street that last night was a fine display of the hate that
animates conservative Republicans everywhere. Of course, it's no
wonder then that Mike Smith now appears with a hard-on for Zell, does
it.
THE MILLER MOMENT: Zell Miller's address will, I think, go down as a
critical moment in this campaign, and maybe in the history of the
Republican party. I kept thinking of the contrast with the Democrats'
keynote speaker, Barack Obama, a post-racial, smiling, expansive young
American, speaking about national unity and uplift. Then you see Zell
Miller, his face rigid with anger, his eyes blazing with years of
frustration as his Dixiecrat vision became slowly eclipsed among the
Democrats. Remember who this man is: once a proud supporter of racial
segregation, a man who lambasted LBJ for selling his soul to the
negroes. His speech tonight was in this vein, a classic Dixiecrat
speech, jammed with bald lies, straw men, and hateful rhetoric. As an
immigrant to this country and as someone who has been to many Southern
states and enjoyed astonishing hospitality and warmth and
sophistication, I long dismissed some of the Northern stereotypes
about the South. But Miller did his best to revive them. The man's
speech was not merely crude; it added whole universes to the word
crude.
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2004_08_29_dish_archive.html#109409893313020605
(You should track down the transcript from Zell Miller's post-speech
interview on CNN, where he was eviscerated by the hosts.)
... and where he apparently challenged one of them to a duel!
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mh
2004-09-02 16:23:43 UTC
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Post by mh
Post by cory
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Wow, I missed that last night, but I'd have to say I'm impressed. It's
the sort of speech that would have persuaded Dennis Miller to switch
sides, if he hadn't done so already. I can imagine, though, the groans
of disgust emanating from those of my friends and acquaintances who are
either liberal, or French, or both.
Word on the street that last night was a fine display of the hate that
animates conservative Republicans everywhere. Of course, it's no
wonder then that Mike Smith now appears with a hard-on for Zell, does
it.
THE MILLER MOMENT: Zell Miller's address will, I think, go down as a
critical moment in this campaign, and maybe in the history of the
Republican party. I kept thinking of the contrast with the Democrats'
keynote speaker, Barack Obama, a post-racial, smiling, expansive young
American, speaking about national unity and uplift. Then you see Zell
Miller, his face rigid with anger, his eyes blazing with years of
frustration as his Dixiecrat vision became slowly eclipsed among the
Democrats. Remember who this man is: once a proud supporter of racial
segregation, a man who lambasted LBJ for selling his soul to the
negroes. His speech tonight was in this vein, a classic Dixiecrat
speech, jammed with bald lies, straw men, and hateful rhetoric. As an
immigrant to this country and as someone who has been to many Southern
states and enjoyed astonishing hospitality and warmth and
sophistication, I long dismissed some of the Northern stereotypes
about the South. But Miller did his best to revive them. The man's
speech was not merely crude; it added whole universes to the word
crude.
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2004_08_29_dish_archive.html#109409893313020605
(You should track down the transcript from Zell Miller's post-speech
interview on CNN, where he was eviscerated by the hosts.)
... and where he apparently challenged one of them to a duel!
That was Chris Matthews that he challenged to a duel ...

I think the Dems are playing this perfectly. Rather than give the GOP
ammo by ousting Zell from the party, they're just letting him hang
himself and watching him slowly twist in the wind ...
Kelly Younger
2004-09-02 18:42:41 UTC
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Post by CJT
Post by mh
Post by cory
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Wow, I missed that last night, but I'd have to say I'm impressed. It's
the sort of speech that would have persuaded Dennis Miller to switch
sides, if he hadn't done so already. I can imagine, though, the groans
of disgust emanating from those of my friends and acquaintances who are
either liberal, or French, or both.
Word on the street that last night was a fine display of the hate that
animates conservative Republicans everywhere. Of course, it's no
wonder then that Mike Smith now appears with a hard-on for Zell, does
it.
THE MILLER MOMENT: Zell Miller's address will, I think, go down as a
critical moment in this campaign, and maybe in the history of the
Republican party. I kept thinking of the contrast with the Democrats'
keynote speaker, Barack Obama, a post-racial, smiling, expansive young
American, speaking about national unity and uplift. Then you see Zell
Miller, his face rigid with anger, his eyes blazing with years of
frustration as his Dixiecrat vision became slowly eclipsed among the
Democrats. Remember who this man is: once a proud supporter of racial
segregation, a man who lambasted LBJ for selling his soul to the
negroes. His speech tonight was in this vein, a classic Dixiecrat
speech, jammed with bald lies, straw men, and hateful rhetoric. As an
immigrant to this country and as someone who has been to many Southern
states and enjoyed astonishing hospitality and warmth and
sophistication, I long dismissed some of the Northern stereotypes
about the South. But Miller did his best to revive them. The man's
speech was not merely crude; it added whole universes to the word
crude.
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2004_08_29_dish_archive.html#109409893313020605
(You should track down the transcript from Zell Miller's post-speech
interview on CNN, where he was eviscerated by the hosts.)
... and where he apparently challenged one of them to a duel!
That was Chris Matthews that he challenged to a duel ...
I think the Dems are playing this perfectly. Rather than give the GOP
ammo by ousting Zell from the party, they're just letting him hang
himself and watching him slowly twist in the wind ...
Why not have Zell Miller speak for Bush? Bush is no conservative. He
wants to legalize 10,000,000 illegal immigrants. He started a war
against Iraq with no International mandate, nor any evidence a
reasonable person could see as credible. He lied to his own party's
leaders about the cost of his Prescription Drug Bill. Bush has created
deficits that will have our children living in a Third World Country by
the time they're 50. Bush hasn't vetoed one, single spending bill since
he's been in office and the size of Government is growing with every
passing tick of the clock. Some conservative.

Not to mention the fact that he can't construct a sentence.
http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/sovereignty.mov

Anyway, it doesn't matter to me. I saw the President's speech last
night. Tonight I'm gonna' watch the Texans play football.
--
Kelly Younger
BudGan25
2004-09-02 17:22:32 UTC
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Post by cory
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Wow, I missed that last night, but I'd have to say I'm impressed. It's
the sort of speech that would have persuaded Dennis Miller to switch
sides, if he hadn't done so already. I can imagine, though, the groans
of disgust emanating from those of my friends and acquaintances who are
either liberal, or French, or both.
Word on the street that last night was
Yeah, you know how the "word on the street" = fact.

The word on my street was that Miller kicked ass.


[snip hearsay]
Post by mh
(You should track down the transcript from Zell Miller's post-speech
interview on CNN, where he was eviscerated by the hosts.)
Big surprise there, huh? Tell me again how CNN isn't biased.
mh
2004-09-02 18:17:31 UTC
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Post by mh
Post by cory
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Wow, I missed that last night, but I'd have to say I'm impressed. It's
the sort of speech that would have persuaded Dennis Miller to switch
sides, if he hadn't done so already. I can imagine, though, the groans
of disgust emanating from those of my friends and acquaintances who are
either liberal, or French, or both.
Word on the street that last night was
Yeah, you know how the "word on the street" = fact.
The word on my street was that Miller kicked ass.
I didn't know you had access to a TV on Lonely Street.
Post by BudGan25
[snip hearsay]
Actually, it was opinion. From a Republican, no less.
Post by BudGan25
Post by mh
(You should track down the transcript from Zell Miller's post-speech
interview on CNN, where he was eviscerated by the hosts.)
Big surprise there, huh? Tell me again how CNN isn't biased.
True. Had Zell been a Republican, they would have lobbed him softball
questions, given him a blowjob and then thanked him.
BudGan25
2004-09-02 18:58:16 UTC
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Post by mh
Post by cory
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Wow, I missed that last night, but I'd have to say I'm impressed. It's
the sort of speech that would have persuaded Dennis Miller to switch
sides, if he hadn't done so already. I can imagine, though, the groans
of disgust emanating from those of my friends and acquaintances who are
either liberal, or French, or both.
Word on the street that last night was
Yeah, you know how the "word on the street" = fact.
The word on my street was that Miller kicked ass.
I didn't know you had access to a TV on Lonely Street.
Post by BudGan25
[snip hearsay]
Actually, it was opinion. From a Republican, no less.
Post by BudGan25
Post by mh
(You should track down the transcript from Zell Miller's post-speech
interview on CNN, where he was eviscerated by the hosts.)
Big surprise there, huh? Tell me again how CNN isn't biased.
True. Had Zell been a Republican, they would have lobbed him softball
questions, given him a blowjob and then thanked him.
So you're saying CNN is biased to the *RIGHT*?

If so, you've ruined whatever little credibility you had to begin with
and do not deserve to be further engaged...
Mike Smith
2004-09-02 21:45:39 UTC
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Post by cory
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Wow, I missed that last night, but I'd have to say I'm impressed. It's
the sort of speech that would have persuaded Dennis Miller to switch
sides, if he hadn't done so already. I can imagine, though, the groans
of disgust emanating from those of my friends and acquaintances who are
either liberal, or French, or both.
Word on the street that last night was
Yeah, you know how the "word on the street" = fact.
The word on my street was that Miller kicked ass.
I didn't know you had access to a TV on Lonely Street.
Post by BudGan25
[snip hearsay]
Actually, it was opinion. From a Republican, no less.
Post by BudGan25
Post by mh
(You should track down the transcript from Zell Miller's post-speech
interview on CNN, where he was eviscerated by the hosts.)
Big surprise there, huh? Tell me again how CNN isn't biased.
True. Had Zell been a Republican, they would have lobbed him softball
questions, given him a blowjob and then thanked him.
So you're saying CNN is biased to the *RIGHT*?
If so, you've ruined whatever little credibility you had to begin with
and do not deserve to be further engaged...
Ummmm... Marty is one of a small handful of truly stupid people that
posts in this newsgroup. He provides more proof of that basic fact
each time he posts here.

Zell Miller gave us a fact-filled, common sense, passionate speech.
This has completely confused the lame stream media and the sycophants
of the DNC. They know passion, they just don't know fact-filled,
common sense passion. It is an alien concept to them.

They don't know how to handle that speech and it will be a day or two
before the DNC creates the talking points, so expect the liberals to
be floundering for a day or two.

Mike Smith


http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html

Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.

"I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home,
a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family."
Zell Miller, talking about President Bush 9-1-2004
Randy Howard
2004-09-10 05:34:17 UTC
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Post by mh
Post by BudGan25
Post by mh
(You should track down the transcript from Zell Miller's post-speech
interview on CNN, where he was eviscerated by the hosts.)
Big surprise there, huh? Tell me again how CNN isn't biased.
True. Had Zell been a Republican, they would have lobbed him softball
questions, given him a blowjob and then thanked him.
I didn't realize that Monica Lewinsky was working for CNN now, but it
is hardly surprising.
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Felix
2004-09-02 20:49:34 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Post by mh
Post by cory
Wow, I missed that last night, but I'd have to say I'm impressed. It's
the sort of speech that would have persuaded Dennis Miller to switch
sides, if he hadn't done so already. I can imagine, though, the groans
of disgust emanating from those of my friends and acquaintances who are
either liberal, or French, or both.
Word on the street that last night was a fine display of the hate that
animates conservative Republicans everywhere. Of course, it's no
wonder then that Mike Smith now appears with a hard-on for Zell, does
it.
Yes we Republicans are full of hate. We hate evil. We don't mind calling
evil what it is. With you being a liberal, you will never understand.
We Republicans stand up to evil. We don't sit around and hope things will
get better. We go after those that are trying to harm us. Let the girlie men
hide behind women or under a rock.
cory
2004-09-03 00:39:58 UTC
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Yes we Republicans are full of hate. We hate evil. We don't mind calling
evil what it is. With you being a liberal, you will never understand.
It's easy to hate evil. It's hard to know what is evil. The Muslims
believe America is evil. Does this mean they have a right to hate and to
kill us?
Moorehead Johnson
2004-09-03 14:19:15 UTC
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Post by Felix
Yes we Republicans are full of hate. We hate evil. We don't mind calling
evil what it is. With you being a liberal, you will never understand.
It's easy to hate evil. It's hard to know what is evil.
And that statement right there is the reason why liberals will never
have significant power in American government - if you can't identify
evil, you do not deserve the responsibility for keeping america safe.
Post by cory
The Muslims
believe America is evil. Does this mean they have a right to hate and to
kill us?
And Hitler thought Jews were evil. And Stalin and Pol Pot thought
anyone who questioned the communist party line was evil. But look at
the backdrops and the motivations behind the statements of these
tyrants and murderers - they were intent on enslaving people, not
letting them live their lives in freedom. Same thing with the current
Islamo-fascist crowd...they want a world where non-Muslims don't
exist.

They are no different than any of the other tyrants who have come and
gone in history. Contrast their efforts with what America has done -
in Afghanistan and Iraq, free elections are on the horizon - people
are tasting the sweet nectar of freedom for the first time in these
two countries and they like what they taste.

The motivation behind America's course, despite the wailing whine and
gnashing of teeth by liberals, is a simple, yet visionary motivation.
Free, democratic countries tend not to attack other free, democratic
countries. Free, democratic countries tend not to be havens for
radical islamo-fascist terrorists.

Zell Miller knows this, and that's why he's angry at the
short-sightedness of his own party. Can't say I blame him.

MJ
CJT
2004-09-03 15:03:10 UTC
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Post by cory
Post by Felix
Yes we Republicans are full of hate. We hate evil. We don't mind calling
evil what it is. With you being a liberal, you will never understand.
It's easy to hate evil. It's hard to know what is evil.
And that statement right there is the reason why liberals will never
have significant power in American government - if you can't identify
evil, you do not deserve the responsibility for keeping america safe.
Post by cory
The Muslims
believe America is evil. Does this mean they have a right to hate and to
kill us?
And Hitler thought Jews were evil. And Stalin and Pol Pot thought
anyone who questioned the communist party line was evil. But look at
the backdrops and the motivations behind the statements of these
tyrants and murderers - they were intent on enslaving people, not
letting them live their lives in freedom. Same thing with the current
Islamo-fascist crowd...they want a world where non-Muslims don't
exist.
They are no different than any of the other tyrants who have come and
gone in history. Contrast their efforts with what America has done -
in Afghanistan and Iraq, free elections are on the horizon - people
are tasting the sweet nectar of freedom for the first time in these
two countries and they like what they taste.
The motivation behind America's course, despite the wailing whine and
gnashing of teeth by liberals, is a simple, yet visionary motivation.
Free, democratic countries tend not to attack other free, democratic
countries. Free, democratic countries tend not to be havens for
radical islamo-fascist terrorists.
Zell Miller knows this, and that's why he's angry at the
short-sightedness of his own party. Can't say I blame him.
MJ
Zell Miller apparently once thought blacks were evil. Maybe he still
does. So did/do a lot of other Republicans.

Many Republicans think teaching evolution is evil. The idea that the
earth is not the center of the universe was once in that same category
of "evil science."

I think an argument can be made that George W. Bush is evil incarnate.
There's some indication the Pope agrees.

One thing some Republicans apparently do not consider evil is lying
to gain political advantage.
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2004-09-03 18:24:28 UTC
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I think an argument can be made that George W. Bush is evil incarnate.
There's some indication the Pope agrees.
One thing some Republicans apparently do not consider evil is lying
to gain political advantage.
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Randy Howard
2004-09-10 05:45:20 UTC
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Post by CJT
Zell Miller apparently once thought blacks were evil. Maybe he still
does. So did/do a lot of other Republicans.
I hate to break this to you, but the Democratic party used to be
filled with racism and they didn't try to hide it. Now they are still
filled with it, but they call it "welfare" instead of "slavery" today,
yet the results are staggeringly similar.

All the southern states were solid democratic voting blocks for many,
many years, until the Democratic party took off for the far left end
of the political spectrum. Let's not forget that JFK was a huge fan
of tax cuts to stimulate the economy. If he was alive today, the
Democrats would be doing everything they could to shut him up. It's
stunning how far the party has moved in the last 40 years, and
entirely in the wrong direction.
Post by CJT
Many Republicans think teaching evolution is evil.
And many do not. And some even think that teaching both evolution and
creationism is ok too. Many democrats get arrested for drunk driving
every day. Gee, like this line of slander?
Post by CJT
The idea that the earth is not the center of the universe was once in
that same category of "evil science."
Most of that happened long before the USA and before the notion of
"parties" in American politics. Point?
Post by CJT
I think an argument can be made that George W. Bush is evil incarnate.
I think an argument can be made that he would be way behind UBL, Saddam,
etc. in line, and trailing behind Clinton in the bargain.
Post by CJT
There's some indication the Pope agrees.
I think an argument can be made that the Catholic church is evil
incarnate, so of course the Pope would be a fan of making people
think the evil resides elsewhere. Conspiracy theories are nothing
if not entertaining in their vast scope.
Post by CJT
One thing some Republicans apparently do not consider evil is lying
to gain political advantage.
No, they do. That's why Kerry is having such a hard time convincing
them he was a war hero, instead of a poseur trying to rip-off JFK
and his PT-109 hero status as a tool to rise to political power.

Of course, even democrats that fought in Vietnam revile the guy.
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CJT
2004-09-10 06:47:23 UTC
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Post by CJT
Zell Miller apparently once thought blacks were evil. Maybe he still
does. So did/do a lot of other Republicans.
I hate to break this to you, but the Democratic party used to be
filled with racism and they didn't try to hide it. Now they are still
filled with it, but they call it "welfare" instead of "slavery" today,
yet the results are staggeringly similar.
All the southern states were solid democratic voting blocks for many,
many years, until the Democratic party took off for the far left end
of the political spectrum. Let's not forget that JFK was a huge fan
of tax cuts to stimulate the economy. If he was alive today, the
Democrats would be doing everything they could to shut him up. It's
stunning how far the party has moved in the last 40 years, and
entirely in the wrong direction.
Post by CJT
Many Republicans think teaching evolution is evil.
And many do not. And some even think that teaching both evolution and
creationism is ok too. Many democrats get arrested for drunk driving
every day. Gee, like this line of slander?
Post by CJT
The idea that the earth is not the center of the universe was once in
that same category of "evil science."
Most of that happened long before the USA and before the notion of
"parties" in American politics. Point?
Post by CJT
I think an argument can be made that George W. Bush is evil incarnate.
I think an argument can be made that he would be way behind UBL, Saddam,
etc. in line, and trailing behind Clinton in the bargain.
Post by CJT
There's some indication the Pope agrees.
I think an argument can be made that the Catholic church is evil
incarnate, so of course the Pope would be a fan of making people
think the evil resides elsewhere. Conspiracy theories are nothing
if not entertaining in their vast scope.
Post by CJT
One thing some Republicans apparently do not consider evil is lying
to gain political advantage.
No, they do. That's why Kerry is having such a hard time convincing
them he was a war hero, instead of a poseur trying to rip-off JFK
and his PT-109 hero status as a tool to rise to political power.
Of course, even democrats that fought in Vietnam revile the guy.
I'll give you points for a nicely crafted response, but you're serving
the dark side.
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Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-10 08:30:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Randy Howard
Post by CJT
Zell Miller apparently once thought blacks were evil. Maybe he still
does. So did/do a lot of other Republicans.
I hate to break this to you, but the Democratic party used to be
filled with racism and they didn't try to hide it. Now they are still
filled with it, but they call it "welfare" instead of "slavery" today,
yet the results are staggeringly similar.
All the southern states were solid democratic voting blocks for many,
many years, until the Democratic party took off for the far left end
of the political spectrum. Let's not forget that JFK was a huge fan
of tax cuts to stimulate the economy. If he was alive today, the
Democrats would be doing everything they could to shut him up. It's
stunning how far the party has moved in the last 40 years, and
entirely in the wrong direction.
Post by CJT
Many Republicans think teaching evolution is evil.
And many do not. And some even think that teaching both evolution and
creationism is ok too. Many democrats get arrested for drunk driving
every day. Gee, like this line of slander?
Post by CJT
The idea that the earth is not the center of the universe was once in
that same category of "evil science."
Most of that happened long before the USA and before the notion of
"parties" in American politics. Point?
Post by CJT
I think an argument can be made that George W. Bush is evil incarnate.
I think an argument can be made that he would be way behind UBL, Saddam,
etc. in line, and trailing behind Clinton in the bargain.
Post by CJT
There's some indication the Pope agrees.
I think an argument can be made that the Catholic church is evil
incarnate, so of course the Pope would be a fan of making people
think the evil resides elsewhere. Conspiracy theories are nothing
if not entertaining in their vast scope.
Post by CJT
One thing some Republicans apparently do not consider evil is lying
to gain political advantage.
No, they do. That's why Kerry is having such a hard time convincing
them he was a war hero, instead of a poseur trying to rip-off JFK
and his PT-109 hero status as a tool to rise to political power.
Of course, even democrats that fought in Vietnam revile the guy.
--
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To reply, remove FOOBAR.
Dammit, I like the way you think!

Of course, be prepared for all the lightweight whining that will follow..
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
Edward G. Nilges
2004-09-14 05:56:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Randy Howard
Post by CJT
Zell Miller apparently once thought blacks were evil. Maybe he still
does. So did/do a lot of other Republicans.
I hate to break this to you, but the Democratic party used to be
filled with racism and they didn't try to hide it. Now they are still
filled with it, but they call it "welfare" instead of "slavery" today,
yet the results are staggeringly similar.
You are a complete liar. However, I am glad to confirm this here and
also to find out what towns (Austin and Georgetown TX) I need to file
a restraining order against you, should my professional affairs bring
me through.

Here you are a complete liar because it was the DEMOCRATS who under
Clinton ended what Clinton called "Welfare as we know it". Clinton
replaced most forms of long term welfare with workfare and with
time-limited welfare.

Whether or not Clinton's policy was a good idea, note that the
Republicans did not end welfare, preferring instead to create a
monster deficit to silently end programs because Republicans, unlike
Clinton, are moral cowards.

They can't get the votes to actually end unemployment, veterans
benefits and Social Security, so instead they give tax cuts to fat
cats so the money isn't there, thereby in Grover Norquist's charming
phrase, drowning government in the bathtub: a phrase that encapsulates
the murderous rage of the right.
Post by Randy Howard
All the southern states were solid democratic voting blocks for many,
many years, until the Democratic party took off for the far left end
of the political spectrum. Let's not forget that JFK was a huge fan
of tax cuts to stimulate the economy. If he was alive today, the
Democrats would be doing everything they could to shut him up. It's
stunning how far the party has moved in the last 40 years, and
entirely in the wrong direction.
JFK was a fan of broad based tax cuts that would stimulate grassroots
spending, not tax cuts that would be banked and not spent on
consumption or investment. George Bush's pals are earning in many
cases negative interest on savings accounts and certificates of
deposits on their tax cuts, but they don't care because the point is
that the money is not going to human needs, which they hate.
Post by Randy Howard
Post by CJT
Many Republicans think teaching evolution is evil.
And many do not. And some even think that teaching both evolution and
creationism is ok too. Many democrats get arrested for drunk driving
every day. Gee, like this line of slander?
It's not slander. The Republicans will take any chance they get to
destroy public education.
Post by Randy Howard
Post by CJT
The idea that the earth is not the center of the universe was once in
that same category of "evil science."
Most of that happened long before the USA and before the notion of
"parties" in American politics. Point?
Being you are a jerk?
Post by Randy Howard
Post by CJT
I think an argument can be made that George W. Bush is evil incarnate.
I think an argument can be made that he would be way behind UBL, Saddam,
etc. in line, and trailing behind Clinton in the bargain.
Clinton bothers you for the same reason I bother you in
comp.programming: we're both good at what we do, and we don't either
of us have an anger management problem. I am several orders of
magnitude better at programming than you as evinced by my ability to
see the forest and not the trees, and Clinton ended the first
Republican deficit. Both of these facts fill losers like you with
rage.
Post by Randy Howard
Post by CJT
There's some indication the Pope agrees.
I think an argument can be made that the Catholic church is evil
incarnate, so of course the Pope would be a fan of making people
think the evil resides elsewhere. Conspiracy theories are nothing
if not entertaining in their vast scope.
Post by CJT
One thing some Republicans apparently do not consider evil is lying
to gain political advantage.
No, they do. That's why Kerry is having such a hard time convincing
them he was a war hero, instead of a poseur trying to rip-off JFK
and his PT-109 hero status as a tool to rise to political power.
Of course, even democrats that fought in Vietnam revile the guy.
Do they? Such as the Chicago Tribune editor who came to Kerry's
defense?

We know the modus operandi of Texas bastards like you. It is to
destroy reputations wholesale without any concern for the truth and
without the ability to manage your anger.

You are a redneck and a coward who on several forums is spreading
lies, and, I have crossposted this exchange to PROVE that your conduct
on comp.programming is based on your political views and not on
technology.

And when next in Austin TX, I am filing a restraining order against
you.
Randy Howard
2004-09-14 06:30:52 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@posting.google.com>, spinoza1111
@yahoo.com says...
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Post by Randy Howard
Post by CJT
Zell Miller apparently once thought blacks were evil. Maybe he still
does. So did/do a lot of other Republicans.
I hate to break this to you, but the Democratic party used to be
filled with racism and they didn't try to hide it. Now they are still
filled with it, but they call it "welfare" instead of "slavery" today,
yet the results are staggeringly similar.
You are a complete liar. However, I am glad to confirm this here and
also to find out what towns (Austin and Georgetown TX) I need to file
a restraining order against you, should my professional affairs bring
me through.
Crack me up troll.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Clinton bothers you for the same reason I bother you in
comp.programming: we're both good at what we do
Correction, you are demonstrably incompetent as a programmer. Everybody
in c.p knows it except you.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
I am several orders of magnitude better at programming than you
You are deluded. Anyone curious can read some of his "code" posted there
over the last several years and all of the hilarious errors contained
therein.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
And when next in Austin TX, I am filing a restraining order against
you.
Please do.
Edward G. Nilges
2004-09-14 11:15:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Randy Howard
@yahoo.com says...
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Post by Randy Howard
Post by CJT
Zell Miller apparently once thought blacks were evil. Maybe he still
does. So did/do a lot of other Republicans.
I hate to break this to you, but the Democratic party used to be
filled with racism and they didn't try to hide it. Now they are still
filled with it, but they call it "welfare" instead of "slavery" today,
yet the results are staggeringly similar.
You are a complete liar. However, I am glad to confirm this here and
also to find out what towns (Austin and Georgetown TX) I need to file
a restraining order against you, should my professional affairs bring
me through.
Crack me up troll.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Clinton bothers you for the same reason I bother you in
comp.programming: we're both good at what we do
Correction, you are demonstrably incompetent as a programmer. Everybody
in c.p knows it except you.
You are not competent to judge because (1) you speak on "compilers"
without having any experience or academic training, and for this
reason you (2) misuse compiler optimization terminology to refer to
trivial praxis in general programming.

I haven't found a single poster in c.p with my breadth or competence
therefore I don't accept their judgement.
Post by Randy Howard
Post by Edward G. Nilges
I am several orders of magnitude better at programming than you
You are deluded. Anyone curious can read some of his "code" posted there
over the last several years and all of the hilarious errors contained
therein.
You keep referring to these in a form of Fascist praxis as if you
repeat the lie enough time (like the Bush-funded members of Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth) it will become true. It will become true, however,
only for misfits and creeps. I concede that in some cases, such as the
Third Reich, misfits and creeps can be the norm. But Texas ain't there
yet, since most Mexicans aren't creeps and sufficient Anglos stick
around with brains (such as A Reader from Texas who gave my book five
stars).

Of course, the nonsense in c.p indicates that if enough misfits
congregate, they are no longer misfits (except in the well known sense
that Fascist societies usually implode in defeat as the misfits head
for Paraguay). But you remain a creep among creeps, a misfit's misfit,
and a creep's creep.
Post by Randy Howard
Post by Edward G. Nilges
And when next in Austin TX, I am filing a restraining order against
you.
Please do.
I will. It should give your community an interesting view of the Dark
Side of Randy Howard, unless you have been already outed as a misfit
and creep, who conducts hatred-filled campaigns of professional
assassination against people who he envies, because they so obviously
have class and style, and can program better as well, programming
being a trivial skill.

And note that no symmetrical charges can be made against me. EVEN IF I
post buggy code (in a style long accepted for the purpose of egoless
group debugging) I DON'T conduct years-long harassment campaigns
against total strangers on the internet, like a creep (responding like
a man to harassment isn't harassment).

You, Mr. Randy Howard, are a stalker and a creep and should my
professional affairs bring me to Austin (for at times based on my
publications I give talks) I WILL file a restraining order describing
you as a stalker, whose posts are disturbingly angry especially in
view of your activity in gun related groups, and the recent ending of
the assault weapons ban.
the wharf rat
2004-09-14 12:11:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward G. Nilges
You keep referring to these in a form of Fascist praxis
Well, praxis makes perfect, right?
Randy Howard
2004-09-14 15:08:55 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@posting.google.com>, spinoza1111
@yahoo.com says...
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Post by Randy Howard
Correction, you are demonstrably incompetent as a programmer. Everybody
in c.p knows it except you.
You are not competent to judge because (1) you speak on "compilers"
without having any experience or academic training, and for this
reason you (2) misuse compiler optimization terminology to refer to
trivial praxis in general programming.
Wrong. As usual.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
I haven't found a single poster in c.p with my breadth or competence
therefore I don't accept their judgement.
This is the specific arrogance for which you are so truly adored.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
(such as A Reader from Texas who gave my book five stars).
Yes, he has been found and sent back to school for remedial correction.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Post by Randy Howard
Post by Edward G. Nilges
And when next in Austin TX, I am filing a restraining order against
you.
Please do.
I will.
I bet you will not, but by all means do try. It will be amusing.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
It should give your community an interesting view of the Dark
Side of Randy Howard,
You've never even met me, troll. The fact is, you get your ass handed
to you in technical debates, daily, by a large group of people far more
competent than you and that ticks you off. You have threatened me with
legal action multiple times, unless I stop pointing out the numerous
errors in your posts. Blackmail is apparently all you have to fall back
on, lacking any ability to respond with facts, rather than a barrage of
gibberish for which you have become so famous that his has its own name
now, specifically "Nilgewater".
Post by Edward G. Nilges
... conducts hatred-filled campaigns of professional
assassination against people who he envies,
I envy a bad case of the flu more than I envy an aging, divorced sociologist
who desperately wants to be thought of as a programmer, yet who can't find
anything better to do than troll usenet because his life is so lame.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
because they so obviously have class and style, and can program better as
well, programming being a trivial skill.
The fact that you think it is trivial is probably a large part of why you
are so bad at it.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
And note that no symmetrical charges can be made against me. EVEN IF I
post buggy code
'If' isn't the issue. How often is a more appropriate topic.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
I DON'T conduct years-long harassment campaigns
against total strangers on the internet, like a creep (responding like
a man to harassment isn't harassment).
Actually, you do. You have harping on Myself, Richard Heathfield, Corey
Murtaugh, and numerous others for the last six months or more, EVEN WHEN
THEY DECIDE TO IGNORE YOU. This being ignored makes you more aggressive,
and you make constant references to us in threads we do not even participate
in, until we get fed up and start paying attention to your lies, gibberish
and incompetent comments and recommendations made to unsuspecting student
programmers.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
You, Mr. Randy Howard, are a stalker and a creep
For someone of your known proclivities toward prevarication and trolling,
I'll take that as a compliment.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
and should my professional affairs bring me to Austin (for at times based
on my publications I give talks)
Austin has a very high average educational level, one of the highest in
the country per capita, so the odds of anyone here being stupid enough to
want to hear what you have to say is minimal.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
I WILL file a restraining order describing you as a stalker,
That will be hard to do since I don't live there, but please go ahead and
try. The local attorneys could use some extra money probably.
Post by Edward G. Nilges
whose posts are disturbingly angry especially in view of your activity in
gun related groups, and the recent ending of the assault weapons ban.
Who's stalking who? :-) Yeah, I'm real angry because the assault weapons
ban died. Not. Clueless dolt.
--
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"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable,
as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-
disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy
of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-14 10:11:41 UTC
Permalink
"Edward G. Nilges" wrote:
snip
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Here you are a complete liar because it was the DEMOCRATS who under
Clinton ended what Clinton called "Welfare as we know it". Clinton
replaced most forms of long term welfare with workfare and with
time-limited welfare.
Clinton only embraced welfare reformed because of the Republican
majority in Congress... Remember the "Contract with America" putz??

Sheeeeeeeesh,
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
SM Ryan
2004-09-14 11:40:16 UTC
Permalink
Yes, Democrats _were_ the party of bigots, old southerns still angry and Republicans.
Then in 1950 when Truman integrated the armed forces, these bigots left to form the
Dixiecrats. A few years all past wrongs were forgiven and the Dixiecrats joined the
party. The Republican party. The Republicans _are_ the party of bigots.

--
SM Ryan http://www.rawbw.com/~wyrmwif/
The whole world's against us.
Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-15 00:32:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by SM Ryan
Yes, Democrats _were_ the party of bigots, old southerns still angry and Republicans.
Then in 1950 when Truman integrated the armed forces, these bigots left to form the
Dixiecrats. A few years all past wrongs were forgiven and the Dixiecrats joined the
party. The Republican party. The Republicans _are_ the party of bigots.
--
SM Ryan http://www.rawbw.com/~wyrmwif/
The whole world's against us.
Heh heh...

You libs are a scream!

All through the Clinton years, blacks and other minorities occupied
token posts while the current administration has blacks in several key
cabinet level positions. I need not mention who they are because even
the lowest slobbering mooing illiterate sheeple probably know their identity.

Continue to post your bullshit as I am sure that your kind will lap it
up like the candy they think it is...
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
Mike Smith
2004-09-14 11:39:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Here you are a complete liar because it was the DEMOCRATS who under
Clinton ended what Clinton called "Welfare as we know it". Clinton
replaced most forms of long term welfare with workfare and with
time-limited welfare.
BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH
Thanks for letting everyone know you're a dumbass.

Free clue (You desperately need one!):
After vetoing the Republican passed welfare reform twice, clinton
stuck his finger on the air, determined which way the wind was
blowing, and signed the same bill he had vetoed two other times....

Poor Edward... Pity him...

Mike Smith
Loading Image...

Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.

"I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home,
a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family."
Zell Miller, talking about President Bush 9-1-2004

Never forget:
http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html
BudGan25
2004-09-14 14:23:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Post by Randy Howard
Post by CJT
Zell Miller apparently once thought blacks were evil. Maybe he still
does. So did/do a lot of other Republicans.
I hate to break this to you, but the Democratic party used to be
filled with racism and they didn't try to hide it. Now they are still
filled with it, but they call it "welfare" instead of "slavery" today,
yet the results are staggeringly similar.
You are a complete liar. However, I am glad to confirm this here and
also to find out what towns (Austin and Georgetown TX) I need to file
a restraining order against you, should my professional affairs bring
me through.
Here you are a complete liar because it was the DEMOCRATS who under
Clinton ended what Clinton called "Welfare as we know it".
Well, no. The Republican Congress did that -- Clinton was merely
strong-armed (by the polls) to sign off on it.
Ian Woods
2004-09-14 18:27:44 UTC
Permalink
<snip>
Post by BudGan25
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Post by Randy Howard
Post by mh
Republicans
<snip>
Post by BudGan25
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Post by Randy Howard
Democratic party
You are a complete liar.
<snip>
Post by BudGan25
The Republican Congress
<snip>

This would be better off in a group about local regional politics for the
given area, I expect. Afterall, you don't get to bore the hell out of
everyone who doesn't care since they simply won't read the ng.

Ian Woods
Edward G. Nilges
2004-09-14 22:49:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by BudGan25
Post by Edward G. Nilges
Post by Randy Howard
Post by CJT
Zell Miller apparently once thought blacks were evil. Maybe he still
does. So did/do a lot of other Republicans.
I hate to break this to you, but the Democratic party used to be
filled with racism and they didn't try to hide it. Now they are still
filled with it, but they call it "welfare" instead of "slavery" today,
yet the results are staggeringly similar.
You are a complete liar. However, I am glad to confirm this here and
also to find out what towns (Austin and Georgetown TX) I need to file
a restraining order against you, should my professional affairs bring
me through.
Here you are a complete liar because it was the DEMOCRATS who under
Clinton ended what Clinton called "Welfare as we know it".
Well, no. The Republican Congress did that -- Clinton was merely
strong-armed (by the polls) to sign off on it.
Had Clinton been opposed, he had the veto. He got te measure passed by
getting rid of the bill's cruelest features so as to make it
acceptable to Democrats.

Whatever the merits of the change (and there are some) it disproves
this clown's equation of "welfare" with "slavery".

Prior to Harry Truman, the Democratic partu was a white-racist party
for the same reason the Soth African Communist party supported
apartheid in the 1920s: ignorant working people, led by ignorant
politicians, see a short term advantage in racism.

But to equate Democratic support, from Truman to Clinton, for welfare
with racism is nonsense. Most people on welfare were and are white
working class and white poor.

Furthermore, the underlying thesis, that welfare created a dependency
among the poor, is just another way of saying that the creation, for
the convenience of capitalists, of a long-term army of unemployed,
creates a dependency. It is the real racism.
J***@physik.fu-berlin.de
2004-09-14 23:31:17 UTC
Permalink
<snipped>

Can you please be so kind to stop crossposting that kind of bullshit
to an international technical newsgroup? No-one except maybe a small
number of people in the US care about all that. I am happy that I do
not have to know who this "Zell Miller" guy, or whatever that moron
calls himself, is and hope very much that it stays that way. I guess
that you're at least still that sane that even you, Mr. Nilges, won't
be able to convince yourself that it's on-topic in comp.programming -
but I have been proven wrong before...

Jens
--
\ Jens Thoms Toerring ___ ***@physik.fu-berlin.de
\__________________________ http://www.toerring.de
cory
2004-09-03 23:34:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Moorehead Johnson
And Hitler thought Jews were evil. And Stalin and Pol Pot thought
Godwin's Law says you lose.
mh
2004-09-04 00:00:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by cory
Post by Moorehead Johnson
And Hitler thought Jews were evil. And Stalin and Pol Pot thought
Godwin's Law says you lose.
It says no such thing.

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

If anything, Moorehead's post merely confirms Godwin's Law. One
*might* infer from Godwin's law that a poster who references Nazis has
effectively brought the thread to an end, thus losing the argument --
but I don't.

Maybe we can drag Earl Cooley III in to clarify for us and also fill
us in on the merits of the Bentsen Defense.

(Question: Since Mike Godwin attended UT in the 80s, does that make
any discussion of Godwin's Law on-topic for a.g.?)
LarryG
2004-09-02 19:27:50 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.
Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to
shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security
but Americans need to know the facts.
The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
-snip-

Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?

The problem with all of these weapons programs for the military
is that they didn't help us prevent 9/11, or do a hell of a lot
of good in Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda and the Taliban actually
were.

Iraq is simply a tremendously costly misdirection of America's
force and focus. Bush can't / won't catch Bin Laden, so he
goes after much easier targets. Its like he's shooting fish
in a barrel! And you're supplying the bullets! What a maroon.

Cheers,
Larry G.
Archen
2004-09-02 20:45:44 UTC
Permalink
Zell Miller complained about Kerry voting against weapons programs that
Dick Cheney also voted against.
vonroach
2004-09-02 23:11:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Archen
Zell Miller complained about Kerry voting against weapons programs that
Dick Cheney also voted against.
The democrat hate mongers have a new lie daily even directed at one of
their own in this instance. What human debris the democrats have
become since Clinton.
Mike Smith
2004-09-02 21:43:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by LarryG
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.
Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to
shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security
but Americans need to know the facts.
The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
-snip-
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
Only for someone like you, without the slightest bit of any analytical
abilities.
Post by LarryG
The problem with all of these weapons programs for the military
is that they didn't help us prevent 9/11, or do a hell of a lot
of good in Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda and the Taliban actually
were.
You obviously haven't investigated Zell's claims, have you. Why don't
you start with actually reading his speech, so you don't look so
stupid.
Post by LarryG
Iraq is simply a tremendously costly misdirection of America's
force and focus. Bush can't / won't catch Bin Laden, so he
goes after much easier targets. Its like he's shooting fish
in a barrel! And you're supplying the bullets! What a maroon.
Cheers,
Larry G.
Why yes, you truly are....

Mike Smith

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html

Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.

"I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home,
a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family."
Zell Miller, talking about President Bush 9-1-2004
w***@hal-pc.org
2004-09-03 03:07:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by LarryG
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.
Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to
shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security
but Americans need to know the facts.
The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
-snip-
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
No it is not! Like he has said he has not left the democratic party,
the party left him. Those incharge are not the same type of people that
were there in 1992 nor have they been there since 1960. Since 1960 it
has been hijacked by leftist radicals. Since Sen. Miller finds that the
ones who are closest to his ideals are republicans shows you how far
left the democrats have gone. It is not just Sen Miller who has noticed
this but many of my neigbors who have voted for democrats for decades
can attest to this.

The reason, if you have forgotten, why Sen. Miller spoke at the 92
convention was because he had hope in CLinton who he though would bring
the party back towards the center from the leftist. He was asked to
speak because he helped Clinton secure Georgia.
Post by LarryG
The problem with all of these weapons programs for the military
is that they didn't help us prevent 9/11, or do a hell of a lot
of good in Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda and the Taliban actually
were.
You miss the point. These weapons are for overall protection of the
country. They also for prosecuting actions against the enemy. It was
the FBI's and Cia's role to have precented 9-11 not the military. Also,
those weapon systems were extremely useful in Afganistan. The bombers
cleared air fields, destroyed tunnels. The copters provided point
defense and offensive capabilities. Without many of those weapons
system, the ability of the military to project power in advance of the
troops going in would not have been there and could have cost lives.
Post by LarryG
Iraq is simply a tremendously costly misdirection of America's
force and focus. Bush can't / won't catch Bin Laden, so he
goes after much easier targets. Its like he's shooting fish
in a barrel! And you're supplying the bullets! What a maroon.
Cheers,
Larry G.
Because of the nature of the war on terrorism, the targets and
objectives are many and numerous. Iraq was on the list. Iraq was a
dangerous wild card. We have and still have no clear information about
its WMD's. It has been proven he had them and did not disclose them.
Saddam was paying for compansation to terrorist. Do you really think
once the international community left that Iraq would have not supplied
to the highest bidder the WMD of their choice? As a result of getting
Iraq off the board, Libya capitualted with out even having to take
action. The war on terror is a wide spread war.

MRC
zmike6
2004-09-03 05:51:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@hal-pc.org
Post by LarryG
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.
Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to
shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security
but Americans need to know the facts.
The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
-snip-
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
No it is not! Like he has said he has not left the democratic party,
the party left him. Those incharge are not the same type of people that
were there in 1992 nor have they been there since 1960. Since 1960 it
has been hijacked by leftist radicals. Since Sen. Miller finds that the
ones who are closest to his ideals are republicans shows you how far
left the democrats have gone. It is not just Sen Miller who has noticed
this but many of my neigbors who have voted for democrats for decades
can attest to this.
The reason, if you have forgotten, why Sen. Miller spoke at the 92
convention was because he had hope in CLinton who he though would bring
the party back towards the center from the leftist. He was asked to
speak because he helped Clinton secure Georgia.
Post by LarryG
The problem with all of these weapons programs for the military
is that they didn't help us prevent 9/11, or do a hell of a lot
of good in Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda and the Taliban actually
were.
You miss the point. These weapons are for overall protection of the
country. They also for prosecuting actions against the enemy. It was
the FBI's and Cia's role to have precented 9-11 not the military. Also,
those weapon systems were extremely useful in Afganistan. The bombers
cleared air fields, destroyed tunnels. The copters provided point
defense and offensive capabilities. Without many of those weapons
system, the ability of the military to project power in advance of the
troops going in would not have been there and could have cost lives.
While not getting into a debate about how effective and useful these
weapon systems are, I point out that Cheney, as former SecDef under
Bush I, also opposed many of the weapon systems that Zell Miller spoke
of last night. The Daily Show had a nice clip on it today.
LarryG
2004-09-03 06:52:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by LarryG
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
No it is not! Like he has said he has not left the democratic party, the
party left him. Those incharge are not the same type of people that were
there in 1992 nor have they been there since 1960. Since 1960 it has
been hijacked by leftist radicals. Since Sen. Miller finds that the ones
who are closest to his ideals are republicans shows you how far left the
democrats have gone. It is not just Sen Miller who has noticed this but
many of my neigbors who have voted for democrats for decades can attest
to this.
The reason, if you have forgotten, why Sen. Miller spoke at the 92
convention was because he had hope in CLinton who he though would bring
the party back towards the center from the leftist. He was asked to
speak because he helped Clinton secure Georgia.
Miller, like Clinton, is/was a political opportunist. One of the
reasons Clinton's Presidency is considered so successful, is because
he frequently co-opted the Republican agenda. In doing so, he earned
a great deal of enmity - he stole credit for championing conservative
causes, and left the originators with the distasteful choice of voting
for something Clinton embraced, or voting against the very legislation
they themselves drafted.

If anything, Clinton's administration became more conservative as a
consequence, not more liberal. Miller is making things up, and you
are buying it. Heard any good swift boat stories lately?
Post by LarryG
The problem with all of these weapons programs for the military
is that they didn't help us prevent 9/11, or do a hell of a lot
of good in Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda and the Taliban actually
were.
You miss the point. These weapons are for overall protection of the
country. They also for prosecuting actions against the enemy. It was
the FBI's and Cia's role to have precented 9-11 not the military. Also,
those weapon systems were extremely useful in Afganistan. The bombers
cleared air fields, destroyed tunnels. The copters provided point
defense and offensive capabilities. Without many of those weapons
system, the ability of the military to project power in advance of the
troops going in would not have been there and could have cost lives.
While "defense" may have been the ostensible purpose for funding
these systems, their presence poses a different risk - the temptation
to use them inappropriately. The best option, when it comes to reducing
the number of lives lost in a war, is to not start one!
Post by LarryG
Iraq is simply a tremendously costly misdirection of America's
force and focus. Bush can't / won't catch Bin Laden, so he
goes after much easier targets. Its like he's shooting fish
in a barrel! And you're supplying the bullets! What a maroon.
Cheers,
Larry G.
Because of the nature of the war on terrorism, the targets and objectives
are many and numerous. Iraq was on the list. Iraq was a dangerous wild
card. We have and still have no clear information about its WMD's. It
has been proven he had them and did not disclose them. Saddam was paying
for compansation to terrorist. Do you really think once the
international community left that Iraq would have not supplied to the
highest bidder the WMD of their choice? As a result of getting Iraq off
the board, Libya capitualted with out even having to take action. The
war on terror is a wide spread war.
MRC
Iraq was on the hit list *before* 9/11. All of the excuses used to justify
the invasion were just that - excuses. Very few of them were real, and
Bush didn't care. All he wanted was some pretense he could sell the
American people.

To make matters worse, our adventure in Iraq saps our focus, strength and
resolve in the real war on terror. And, our actions may in fact be
responsible for creating more or bolder terrorists, because they are
beginning to see that the U.S. can be broken, and eventually defeated.

The Bush Administration is an unmittigated disaster for this country.
If you loved this country as much as you think you do, you'd be in
the streets screaming at the masses of inattentive morons.

Cheers,
Larry G.
--
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Mike Smith
2004-09-03 08:59:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by LarryG
Post by LarryG
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
No it is not! Like he has said he has not left the democratic party, the
party left him. Those incharge are not the same type of people that were
there in 1992 nor have they been there since 1960. Since 1960 it has
been hijacked by leftist radicals. Since Sen. Miller finds that the ones
who are closest to his ideals are republicans shows you how far left the
democrats have gone. It is not just Sen Miller who has noticed this but
many of my neigbors who have voted for democrats for decades can attest
to this.
The reason, if you have forgotten, why Sen. Miller spoke at the 92
convention was because he had hope in CLinton who he though would bring
the party back towards the center from the leftist. He was asked to
speak because he helped Clinton secure Georgia.
Miller, like Clinton, is/was a political opportunist. One of the
reasons Clinton's Presidency is considered so successful, is because
he frequently co-opted the Republican agenda. In doing so, he earned
a great deal of enmity - he stole credit for championing conservative
causes, and left the originators with the distasteful choice of voting
for something Clinton embraced, or voting against the very legislation
they themselves drafted.
If anything, Clinton's administration became more conservative as a
consequence, not more liberal. Miller is making things up, and you
are buying it. Heard any good swift boat stories lately?
Post by LarryG
The problem with all of these weapons programs for the military
is that they didn't help us prevent 9/11, or do a hell of a lot
of good in Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda and the Taliban actually
were.
You miss the point. These weapons are for overall protection of the
country. They also for prosecuting actions against the enemy. It was
the FBI's and Cia's role to have precented 9-11 not the military. Also,
those weapon systems were extremely useful in Afganistan. The bombers
cleared air fields, destroyed tunnels. The copters provided point
defense and offensive capabilities. Without many of those weapons
system, the ability of the military to project power in advance of the
troops going in would not have been there and could have cost lives.
While "defense" may have been the ostensible purpose for funding
these systems, their presence poses a different risk - the temptation
to use them inappropriately. The best option, when it comes to reducing
the number of lives lost in a war, is to not start one!
Post by LarryG
Iraq is simply a tremendously costly misdirection of America's
force and focus. Bush can't / won't catch Bin Laden, so he
goes after much easier targets. Its like he's shooting fish
in a barrel! And you're supplying the bullets! What a maroon.
Cheers,
Larry G.
Because of the nature of the war on terrorism, the targets and objectives
are many and numerous. Iraq was on the list. Iraq was a dangerous wild
card. We have and still have no clear information about its WMD's. It
has been proven he had them and did not disclose them. Saddam was paying
for compansation to terrorist. Do you really think once the
international community left that Iraq would have not supplied to the
highest bidder the WMD of their choice? As a result of getting Iraq off
the board, Libya capitualted with out even having to take action. The
war on terror is a wide spread war.
MRC
Iraq was on the hit list *before* 9/11. All of the excuses used to justify
the invasion were just that - excuses. Very few of them were real, and
Bush didn't care. All he wanted was some pretense he could sell the
American people.
You mean like the cruise missles clinton shot at Iraq in his attempt
to cover up his Monica problems? Why didn't he take care of business?
Iraq was in violation of the 1991 settlement... Whoops, that doesn't
fit your mindless litttle rant, does it...
Post by LarryG
To make matters worse, our adventure in Iraq saps our focus, strength and
resolve in the real war on terror. And, our actions may in fact be
responsible for creating more or bolder terrorists, because they are
beginning to see that the U.S. can be broken, and eventually defeated.
That is 100% bullshit. You are espousing the French method of dealing
wiht a threat.
Post by LarryG
The Bush Administration is an unmittigated disaster for this country.
If you loved this country as much as you think you do, you'd be in
the streets screaming at the masses of inattentive morons.
Cheers,
Larry G.
Sorry, you are simply too stupid to make that type of assumption.
Admitted, he won't bend over, grab his ankles and politely ask the
terrorists to be gentle {Kerry's solution to the terrorist threat}.
He's a real man, not a whimpy girly-man. That just drives you nuts,
doesn't it...

Mike Smith


http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html

Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.

"I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home,
a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family."
Zell Miller, talking about President Bush 9-1-2004
w***@hal-pc.org
2004-09-04 05:51:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by LarryG
Post by w***@hal-pc.org
Post by LarryG
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
No it is not! Like he has said he has not left the democratic party,
the party left him. Those incharge are not the same type of people
that were there in 1992 nor have they been there since 1960. Since
1960 it has been hijacked by leftist radicals. Since Sen. Miller
finds that the ones who are closest to his ideals are republicans
shows you how far left the democrats have gone. It is not just Sen
Miller who has noticed this but many of my neigbors who have voted for
democrats for decades can attest to this.
The reason, if you have forgotten, why Sen. Miller spoke at the 92
convention was because he had hope in CLinton who he though would
bring the party back towards the center from the leftist. He was
asked to speak because he helped Clinton secure Georgia.
Miller, like Clinton, is/was a political opportunist. One of the
reasons Clinton's Presidency is considered so successful, is because
he frequently co-opted the Republican agenda. In doing so, he earned
a great deal of enmity - he stole credit for championing conservative
causes, and left the originators with the distasteful choice of voting
for something Clinton embraced, or voting against the very legislation
they themselves drafted.
You do not even show how Sen. Miller is/was a political opportunist.
You showed how Clinton was such an opportunist. But did Clinton really
believe in those principles or did for pure political points. Sen.
Miller has stated his principles and has steadfastly stood by those
principles from the time he was elect mayor in Georgia to when he was
Govenor of Georgia to now as Senator. He believed that Clinton held
those principles but soon saw that he did not. The fact remains that
the democrat party is not the same party that Sen. Miller originally
joined. ASk many of the blue dog Democrats and they will tell you the same.
Post by LarryG
If anything, Clinton's administration became more conservative as a
consequence, not more liberal. Miller is making things up, and you
are buying it. Heard any good swift boat stories lately?
The Clinton administration tried to pretend it was conservative but it
was ultimately held and tied to the liberal wing of the party. The
party itself has and still is on the liberal left side. Sen Miller
thought that Clinton would be able to bring the party towards the middle
but that did not happen.

As for the Swift boat accounts, I sure have and still shows that kerry
at best wildly exagerated his exploits.
Post by LarryG
Post by w***@hal-pc.org
Post by LarryG
The problem with all of these weapons programs for the military
is that they didn't help us prevent 9/11, or do a hell of a lot
of good in Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda and the Taliban actually
were.
You miss the point. These weapons are for overall protection of the
country. They also for prosecuting actions against the enemy. It was
the FBI's and Cia's role to have precented 9-11 not the military.
Also, those weapon systems were extremely useful in Afganistan. The
bombers cleared air fields, destroyed tunnels. The copters provided
point defense and offensive capabilities. Without many of those
weapons system, the ability of the military to project power in
advance of the troops going in would not have been there and could
have cost lives.
While "defense" may have been the ostensible purpose for funding
these systems, their presence poses a different risk - the temptation
to use them inappropriately. The best option, when it comes to reducing
the number of lives lost in a war, is to not start one!
The defense of a country comes in two different flavors. One for
reacting to a situation and the other for prevention through pre-emption
(hmm catchy). Whether there is temptation or not for inappropriate use,
is not a justification not to have them.

Your best option is utopian whereas the best way to reduce lives lost is
to fight and complete a war totally so that it does not have to be
refought again. That is the lesson repeated throughout history.
Post by LarryG
Post by w***@hal-pc.org
Post by LarryG
Iraq is simply a tremendously costly misdirection of America's
force and focus. Bush can't / won't catch Bin Laden, so he
goes after much easier targets. Its like he's shooting fish
in a barrel! And you're supplying the bullets! What a maroon.
Cheers,
Larry G.
Because of the nature of the war on terrorism, the targets and
objectives are many and numerous. Iraq was on the list. Iraq was a
dangerous wild card. We have and still have no clear information
about its WMD's. It has been proven he had them and did not disclose
them. Saddam was paying for compansation to terrorist. Do you really
think once the international community left that Iraq would have not
supplied to the highest bidder the WMD of their choice? As a result
of getting Iraq off the board, Libya capitualted with out even having
to take action. The war on terror is a wide spread war.
MRC
Iraq was on the hit list *before* 9/11. All of the excuses used to justify
the invasion were just that - excuses. Very few of them were real, and
Bush didn't care. All he wanted was some pretense he could sell the
American people.
Of course it was because it was put there by Clinton and endorsed by the
Congress. All the "excuses" as you put them were real justification
based upon the evidence available at the time. Not just from our
intellegence sources but from the British, Russians and others.
Besides, Saddam provided the best justification himself. The refusal to
live up to the terms that ended the first Gulf War. For over 10 years
he refused to unconditionally comply with us and the U.N. Look at all
the attempts to shoot down our aircraft flying the no-fly zone. Look at
the last resolution that called upon Iraq to once and for all to come
clean about is WMD. It failed to do so. Even when it reluctantly
agreed to more inspection Iraq began to stonewall again. What was the
result. WMD's were found. One three seprate occassions since the
invasions chemical weapons have been found. One inciden was shells that
were hidden. Even though it is thought they were old shells, they were
to have been disclosed. The second incident was an IED with chemicals
was found. Then in June Polish troops find over 17 rockects and several
mortar shells with chemical munitions that were being sold to the
highest bidder. Even though no huge stockpiles were found that was
believed to exist, these discoveries make you wonder what else has been
moved and hidden. Evidence of unusal border activity with Syria was
noted in documents found. Although hard links to AL-Queda were not
prevelent, several instances exist where Iraq had contact with Al-Queda.
This along with the fact that they harboured and encourage terrorism
their involvement with Al-queda can not be dismissed.
Post by LarryG
To make matters worse, our adventure in Iraq saps our focus, strength and
resolve in the real war on terror. And, our actions may in fact be
responsible for creating more or bolder terrorists, because they are
beginning to see that the U.S. can be broken, and eventually defeated.
Wars on mulitple fonts have a tendancy to do this, yet we successfully
engaged both Germany and Japan. You annd Kerry seem to forget that this
is not a conventional war with easily defined sigular front. It is
multi-faceted and requires multiply engagements. The terrorist already
knew that America is weak. all they had to do is look to Korea where we
did not have the will to finish with finality the conflict. With
Vietnam they saw how the public became weak-kneed and turned on its
support for the war there. The Leading General of the Vietanese army
stated that if it were not for Kerry, Fonda nad other war activist
putting enormous pressure on the U.S. Government, they (North Vietnam)
would have lost. We as a people have become too soft thus our resolve
is not deep. We need to be remind often about 9-11 and the losses it
caused. This war on terrorism is going to be a long battle that will
take us to many different foriegn lands. So-far Libya has capitulated
based upon what has happened in Iraq and turned over everything on their
WMD program. Also remember it is better to be fighting the terrorist in
Iraq that to have the here and suffer what the Russians have faced with
the Chechens.
Post by LarryG
The Bush Administration is an unmittigated disaster for this country.
If you loved this country as much as you think you do, you'd be in
the streets screaming at the masses of inattentive morons.
Cheers,
Larry G.
I disagree, the Bush Administration is the best thing to have happened
for our country. The world knows that this administration has the will
and resolve to do what it takes to strike at terrorist. This war is not
going to get easier. By far it is going to get tougher and bloodier.
Iraq may not have been the "big Prize" in the war on terror but it is a
key stepping stone to work-up to that prize. Best to get the easier
victories out of the way before having to eventually attacking bigger
targets like Syria, Iran and North Korea. For now containing them will
do but they will need to be reconed with.

Sure I would love be in the streets screaming at the masses of
inattentive moron like those protestors in NYC, the DNC and moveon.org
but they are brain dead anyway.


MRC
Motorblade
2004-09-04 13:41:41 UTC
Permalink
So the rethuglicans are touting the biggest flip flopper in the demo party as
the new firebrand of conservative thought. Four years ago he was touting
Kerry's vietnam experience and now he is bringing the art of speeches down
into the gutter. Zell is a demagogue in the tradition of george wallace and a
segregationist to boot.


"fritz"
http://www.londonskaters.com/interview_fritz_blaw.htm
www.motorblade.com
Birdy(Parker), Brazil(Gilliam),and Brewster McCloud(Altman)
Conan-the-conservative
2004-09-04 15:12:39 UTC
Permalink
A racist to boot? No wonder he was chosen to give the Republican
keynote.
Post by Motorblade
So the rethuglicans are touting the biggest flip flopper in the demo party as
the new firebrand of conservative thought. Four years ago he was touting
Kerry's vietnam experience and now he is bringing the art of speeches down
into the gutter. Zell is a demagogue in the tradition of george wallace and a
segregationist to boot.
"fritz"
http://www.londonskaters.com/interview_fritz_blaw.htm
www.motorblade.com
Birdy(Parker), Brazil(Gilliam),and Brewster McCloud(Altman)
Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-06 01:42:11 UTC
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Post by Motorblade
So the rethuglicans are touting the biggest flip flopper in the demo party as
the new firebrand of conservative thought. Four years ago he was touting
Kerry's vietnam experience and now he is bringing the art of speeches down
into the gutter. Zell is a demagogue in the tradition of george wallace and a
segregationist to boot.
"fritz"
Heh heh... It's comical how you dems turn on your own when they get the
balls and inclination to tell the truth.
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
Motorblade
2004-09-06 14:56:35 UTC
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Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Heh heh... It's comical how you dems turn on your own when they get the
balls and inclination to tell the truth.
Ooops, BZZZZTTT , wrong, JT, zell is the one who is turning on his own....try
to understand the proper use of prepositions. Perhaps you should have been on a
debate team before attempting debate.


"fritz"
http://www.londonskaters.com/interview_fritz_blaw.htm
www.motorblade.com
Birdy(Parker), Brazil(Gilliam),and Brewster McCloud(Altman)
BudGan25
2004-09-06 15:14:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Motorblade
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Heh heh... It's comical how you dems turn on your own when they get the
balls and inclination to tell the truth.
Ooops, BZZZZTTT , wrong, JT, zell is the one who is turning on his own....
Jumping ship is more like it. Just like Koch. And Dennis Miller.
And me.
Motorblade
2004-09-06 16:59:05 UTC
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I base my vote for or against an incumbent on many things. Two of them are ,
how have my businesses fared over the term and the morals and direction of the
incumbent.

My businesses have suffered during bush's term.
Bush has started a war and lowered environmental safeguards as well as clipping
many social programs...its time for someone else to work on our problems
because bush has obviously failed. I am, as usual it seems, voting AGAINST a
candidate .



"fritz"
http://www.londonskaters.com/interview_fritz_blaw.htm
www.motorblade.com
Birdy(Parker), Brazil(Gilliam),and Brewster McCloud(Altman)
Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-06 18:58:16 UTC
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Post by Motorblade
I base my vote for or against an incumbent on many things. Two of them are ,
how have my businesses fared over the term and the morals and direction of the
incumbent.
My businesses have suffered during bush's term.
Bush has started a war and lowered environmental safeguards as well as clipping
many social programs...its time for someone else to work on our problems
because bush has obviously failed. I am, as usual it seems, voting AGAINST a
candidate .
"fritz"
http://www.londonskaters.com/interview_fritz_blaw.htm
www.motorblade.com
Birdy(Parker), Brazil(Gilliam),and Brewster McCloud(Altman)
There are far more dangers than social, environmental issues staring us
in the face. Survival is the first instinct of realistic thinkers..
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-06 18:55:50 UTC
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Post by BudGan25
Post by Motorblade
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Heh heh... It's comical how you dems turn on your own when they get the
balls and inclination to tell the truth.
Ooops, BZZZZTTT , wrong, JT, zell is the one who is turning on his own....
Jumping ship is more like it. Just like Koch. And Dennis Miller.
And me.
I think that the country is finally waking up to the dangers of the
Kerry candidacy. Bush ain't no picnic, the the alternative is to scary
to contemplate...
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-06 18:54:25 UTC
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Post by Motorblade
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Heh heh... It's comical how you dems turn on your own when they get the
balls and inclination to tell the truth.
Ooops, BZZZZTTT , wrong, JT, zell is the one who is turning on his own....try
to understand the proper use of prepositions. Perhaps you should have been on a
debate team before attempting debate.
"fritz"
Zell has always been a old line conservative Democrat, a rarity these
days. He spoke up simply because the dems picked such a pathetic
candidate that would do far worse than Carter in four years and the
country cannot afford that.

Take off dem thar' rose tinted glasses and reach out for a touch or reality...
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
Kelly Younger
2004-09-07 20:31:38 UTC
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Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by Motorblade
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Heh heh... It's comical how you dems turn on your own when they get the
balls and inclination to tell the truth.
Ooops, BZZZZTTT , wrong, JT, zell is the one who is turning on his own....try
to understand the proper use of prepositions. Perhaps you should have been on a
debate team before attempting debate.
"fritz"
Zell has always been a old line conservative Democrat, a rarity these
days. He spoke up simply because the dems picked such a pathetic
candidate that would do far worse than Carter in four years and the
country cannot afford that.
Take off dem thar' rose tinted glasses and reach out for a touch or reality...
--
JT
Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
I don't know about that. Zell may be an "old line conservative
Democrat", by I fear the neo-cons more. Bush may be a Republican, but he
isn't a Conservative. Look how Government has grown, look at the
deficits. Do you happen to know how many spending bills he's vetoed?

By the way, I won't be voting "For" any presidential candidate this
year.
--
Kelly Younger
Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-08 00:06:48 UTC
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Post by Kelly Younger
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by Motorblade
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Heh heh... It's comical how you dems turn on your own when they get the
balls and inclination to tell the truth.
Ooops, BZZZZTTT , wrong, JT, zell is the one who is turning on his own....try
to understand the proper use of prepositions. Perhaps you should have been on a
debate team before attempting debate.
"fritz"
Zell has always been a old line conservative Democrat, a rarity these
days. He spoke up simply because the dems picked such a pathetic
candidate that would do far worse than Carter in four years and the
country cannot afford that.
Take off dem thar' rose tinted glasses and reach out for a touch or reality...
--
JT
Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
I don't know about that. Zell may be an "old line conservative
Democrat", by I fear the neo-cons more. Bush may be a Republican, but he
isn't a Conservative. Look how Government has grown, look at the
deficits. Do you happen to know how many spending bills he's vetoed?
Um, after the events of 9/11, how would you reduce spending? Your
kinfolk in liberalton would scream bloody murder if any social programs
were to be cut and cutting anything connected with national security
would be insane.
Post by Kelly Younger
By the way, I won't be voting "For" any presidential candidate this
year.
Phew! That's a relief because we sure don't need four years of a
*super* Carter administration...
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
Kelly Younger
2004-09-08 00:40:20 UTC
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Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Um, after the events of 9/11, how would you reduce spending? Your
kinfolk in liberalton would scream bloody murder if any social programs
were to be cut and cutting anything connected with national security
would be insane.
Well, I wouldn't spend my dollars attacking a country that posed no
threat to the US. I supported the war in Afghanistan. I'm supposing
you've never seen a war you didn't like though.
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by Kelly Younger
By the way, I won't be voting "For" any presidential candidate this
year.
Phew! That's a relief because we sure don't need four years of a
*super* Carter administration...
Well then, you might be interested in this...
Chris Mathews was on Letterman after the RNC. He posited this scenario
(not me). If Bush wins all the states he did previously and Kerry won
the ones Gore did, plus New Hampshire (next to Mass.) and West Virginia
(see note), the Electoral College would be tied. The House would then
caucus and elect the President. Should the Democrats regain control of
the Senate, they could caucus and elect the V.P.- Edwards. Bush,
President...Edwards, Vice President.

At least the *current* President would be replaced.

Note. West Virginia is typically Democratic. Bush won the last election
by 160,000 votes. That state has since lost 250,000 steel/coal jobs.

I don't think it will happen, but I can dream. Bush is not a
Conservative.

I'm thinking Ohio will decide the election. But what do I know, I watch
Fox News most of the time.
--
Kelly Younger
Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-03 02:33:55 UTC
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Post by LarryG
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.
Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to
shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security
but Americans need to know the facts.
The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
-snip-
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
Give me a break... He has stated publicly that after keynoting for
Klinton, he was disappointed with eight years of accommodation,
appeasement, and sleaze. It's actually your problem with facing the
truth being a liberal and all...


Rest of whining drivel snipped
Post by LarryG
Cheers,
Larry G.
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
Grubber
2004-09-03 03:01:25 UTC
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Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by LarryG
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by LarryG
Post by Mike Smith
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.
Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to
shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security
but Americans need to know the facts.
The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
-snip-
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
Give me a break... He has stated publicly that after keynoting for
Klinton, he was disappointed with eight years of accommodation,
appeasement, and sleaze. It's actually your problem with facing the
truth being a liberal and all...
Rest of whining drivel snipped
Post by LarryG
Cheers,
Larry G.
--
JT
Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
lol - even the Republicans are backing off from their keynote speaker,
moving him out of the first family's box for George's speech tonight

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5897622
LarryG
2004-09-03 06:30:01 UTC
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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 02:33:55 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by LarryG
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
Give me a break... He has stated publicly that after keynoting for
Klinton, he was disappointed with eight years of accommodation,
appeasement, and sleaze. It's actually your problem with facing the
truth being a liberal and all...
Oh, Geez! If you believe that, I've got a crate of used con . do . m . s .
. . eh, *pre-tested penile raincoats*
I can sell you (and anyone else who falls for that line of
elephant shit) for $5.00 each (not per crate!) With such
vapid stupidity walking the streets, offering up their money
to trash-talking hucksters, I ought to be able to make a few
thousand dollars helping Republicans practice abstinance.

Cheers,
Larry G.
Mike Smith
2004-09-03 08:51:37 UTC
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Post by LarryG
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 02:33:55 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by LarryG
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
Give me a break... He has stated publicly that after keynoting for
Klinton, he was disappointed with eight years of accommodation,
appeasement, and sleaze. It's actually your problem with facing the
truth being a liberal and all...
Oh, Geez! If you believe that, I've got a crate of used con . do . m . s .
. . eh, *pre-tested penile raincoats*
I can sell you (and anyone else who falls for that line of
elephant shit) for $5.00 each (not per crate!) With such
vapid stupidity walking the streets, offering up their money
to trash-talking hucksters, I ought to be able to make a few
thousand dollars helping Republicans practice abstinance.
Cheers,
Larry G.
Of course....

Despite that fact theat Zell explained why he did what he did, you, in
your infinite ignorance, know better...

Yea..... right.....

Mike Smith

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html

Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.

"I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home,
a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family."
Zell Miller, talking about President Bush 9-1-2004
Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-03 14:00:08 UTC
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Post by LarryG
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 02:33:55 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by LarryG
Zell Miller is a prime example of a political flip-flop artist.
One election he keynotes for Democrats, this time he does it for
Republicans. Quite a change of tune, dontcha think?
Give me a break... He has stated publicly that after keynoting for
Klinton, he was disappointed with eight years of accommodation,
appeasement, and sleaze. It's actually your problem with facing the
truth being a liberal and all...
Oh, Geez! If you believe that, I've got a crate of used con . do . m . s .
. . eh, *pre-tested penile raincoats*
I can sell you (and anyone else who falls for that line of
elephant shit) for $5.00 each (not per crate!) With such
vapid stupidity walking the streets, offering up their money
to trash-talking hucksters, I ought to be able to make a few
thousand dollars helping Republicans practice abstinance.
Cheers,
Larry G.
The only huckster I see in this race

1. Calculated his upcoming political career in Vietnam with home movies

2. Then turned against the war (his first flip flop) and:

a. Traveled to Hanoi to comfort the enemy (A federal offense btw)

b. Was part of a group advocating the kidnapping of guv'ment officials

c. Carried this political agenda to the next step by:

i. Testifying before Congress regarding "widespread" war crimes

ii. Throwing away his "medals."

3. As a Senator...

a. Passed no major bills

b. Absent for votes over 75% of the time

c. Voted against every major weapons program and for Intelligence gutting

4. As a candidate for president..

a. Wrapped him self in the flag and Vietnam service

b. Whined incessantly when his claims to "heroism" were debunked

c. Established new records for flip flops.

Yep... Zero plus Zero equals Zero and once again, all you liberals will
be left standing or, oh wait... Make that whimpering liberals without a
cause whose constant whining got them nowhere!

Have a nice day.
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
Archen
2004-09-03 14:08:38 UTC
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when Bush changes his mind he's "Clarifying his stance",
when Kerry changes his mind he's a flip-flopper.


Can you say double speak.

Yes Bush is resolute. He resolutely ignored the war on terror and Bin
Laden to go after Iraq and refuse to allow the facts to influence his
decision.
LarryG
2004-09-04 02:40:00 UTC
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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:00:08 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by LarryG
Oh, Geez! If you believe that, I've got a crate of used con . do . m . s .
. . eh, *pre-tested penile raincoats*
I can sell you (and anyone else who falls for that line of
elephant shit) for $5.00 each (not per crate!) With such
vapid stupidity walking the streets, offering up their money
to trash-talking hucksters, I ought to be able to make a few
thousand dollars helping Republicans practice abstinance.
Cheers,
Larry G.
The only huckster I see in this race
1. Calculated his upcoming political career in Vietnam with home movies
The Navy - Its not just a job, its an adventure! Many servicemen
buy and use cameras during their duty. For most, being in the
military is like a working vacation to exciting, exotic hot-spots.
It is quite natural for folk to want to record their adventures,
if for no other reason than to show their grandkids what they did
during the war.

Don't you find it the least bit strange that Jar Jar Bush doesn't
have many photos of himself in uniform?
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
a. Traveled to Hanoi to comfort the enemy (A federal offense btw)
b. Was part of a group advocating the kidnapping of guv'ment officials
i. Testifying before Congress regarding "widespread" war crimes
ii. Throwing away his "medals."
If the experience of life-and-death combat doesn't change your
outlook on life and meaning, you're already dead.

Had any epiphanies lately, Jet?
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
3. As a Senator...
a. Passed no major bills
As opposed to say the fraudulent Medicare Prescription Drug fiasco,
or the Haliburton Relief Act?
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
b. Absent for votes over 75% of the time
What's the point of being present for a vote which the Republican
Majority would pass with or without him? Being present would have
been a pointless waste of taxpayer money.
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
c. Voted against every major weapons program and for Intelligence gutting
If we build more weapons, Jar Jar and company will find wars to use them
in, whether we need to be fighting them or not. And the CIA has a nasty
reputation for doing the wrong things for the wrong reasons. Perhaps it
needed some restraint.
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
4. As a candidate for president..
a. Wrapped him self in the flag and Vietnam service
b. Whined incessantly when his claims to "heroism" were debunked
Do you like people telling lies about you? The criticisms have
suffered more debunking than all of Kerry's claims put together.
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
c. Established new records for flip flops.
Flip flop or no, at least he ain't Bush. That's why he's got my vote.
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Yep... Zero plus Zero equals Zero and once again, all you liberals will
be left standing or, oh wait... Make that whimpering liberals without a
cause whose constant whining got them nowhere!
Have a nice day.
How much whining do you plan to do after election day?


Cheers,
Larry G.
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Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-06 01:40:44 UTC
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Post by LarryG
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:00:08 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by LarryG
Oh, Geez! If you believe that, I've got a crate of used con . do . m . s .
. . eh, *pre-tested penile raincoats*
I can sell you (and anyone else who falls for that line of
elephant shit) for $5.00 each (not per crate!) With such
vapid stupidity walking the streets, offering up their money
to trash-talking hucksters, I ought to be able to make a few
thousand dollars helping Republicans practice abstinance.
Cheers,
Larry G.
The only huckster I see in this race
1. Calculated his upcoming political career in Vietnam with home movies
The Navy - Its not just a job, its an adventure! Many servicemen
buy and use cameras during their duty. For most, being in the
military is like a working vacation to exciting, exotic hot-spots.
It is quite natural for folk to want to record their adventures,
if for no other reason than to show their grandkids what they did
during the war.
Don't you find it the least bit strange that Jar Jar Bush doesn't
have many photos of himself in uniform?
Don't you find it curious that Kerry's home movies feature HIM???

Get a clue...
Post by LarryG
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
a. Traveled to Hanoi to comfort the enemy (A federal offense btw)
b. Was part of a group advocating the kidnapping of guv'ment officials
i. Testifying before Congress regarding "widespread" war crimes
ii. Throwing away his "medals."
Rest of inane responses snipped...
--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
someone
2004-09-02 20:57:07 UTC
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After the speech, Zell Miller and Mike Smith beat the evil out of their
wives.
Republicans stand up to those evil bitches in the name of jesus.


way to go guys!
trim that bush
2004-09-02 21:12:42 UTC
Permalink
Zell Miller made Howard Dean look downright calm and composed. Miller
embarrassed himself during his tirade and even worse, challenged Chris
Matthews to a "dual" afterward. What an old coot. There were more old,
flabby-armed women and toothless fuddy-duddies who were out way past their
bedtime, than any convention I've ever watched. I know Mike Smith can
relate b/c he's paralyzed by the fear that FauxNews feeds him. He's too
stupid to be able to see it for what it is: TAKING ATTENTION AWAY FROM
BUSH'S DISMAL RECORD OF FAILURE.

Miller's a laughing stock.
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Post by Mike Smith
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.
Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to
shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security
but Americans need to know the facts.
The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes
against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.
The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's
Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator
Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.
The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those
Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles,
that Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and
this very city after 9/11.
I could go on and on and on: against the Patriot Missile that shot
down Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel; against the Aegis
air-defense cruiser; against the Strategic Defense Initiative; against
the Trident missile; against, against, against.
This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S.
Armed Forces?
U.S. forces armed with what?
Spitballs?
<end quote>
If you missed his speech, you really missed a passionate, old-time
barn-burner of a speech.
Mike Smith
http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/podhoretz.htm
Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.
Mike Smith
2004-09-02 21:45:12 UTC
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:12:42 GMT, "trim that bush"
Post by trim that bush
Zell Miller made Howard Dean look downright calm and composed. Miller
embarrassed himself during his tirade and even worse, challenged Chris
Matthews to a "dual" afterward. What an old coot. There were more old,
flabby-armed women and toothless fuddy-duddies who were out way past their
bedtime, than any convention I've ever watched. I know Mike Smith can
relate b/c he's paralyzed by the fear that FauxNews feeds him. He's too
stupid to be able to see it for what it is: TAKING ATTENTION AWAY FROM
BUSH'S DISMAL RECORD OF FAILURE.
Miller's a laughing stock.
Oh look, another fool who didn't read or watch the speech....

<Yawn>

Mike Smith
Post by trim that bush
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Post by Mike Smith
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.
Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to
shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security
but Americans need to know the facts.
The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes
against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.
The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's
Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator
Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.
The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those
Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles,
that Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and
this very city after 9/11.
I could go on and on and on: against the Patriot Missile that shot
down Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel; against the Aegis
air-defense cruiser; against the Strategic Defense Initiative; against
the Trident missile; against, against, against.
This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S.
Armed Forces?
U.S. forces armed with what?
Spitballs?
<end quote>
If you missed his speech, you really missed a passionate, old-time
barn-burner of a speech.
Mike Smith
http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/podhoretz.htm
Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic
Party second.
Post by Mike Smith
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.
http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html

Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.

"I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home,
a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family."
Zell Miller, talking about President Bush 9-1-2004
trim that bush
2004-09-02 22:33:50 UTC
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If you were in Congress, you'd probably vote for every single weapons system
under the sun. Very pragmatic. I watched Miller shit himself. I'd be
pissed off too if I were a racist who walks around w/a steaming load in my
trousers.

Always voting for weaponry at the expense of the poor and uninsured is not
the right thing to do, dickhead. Are our deficits ok w/you too? Like I
said: you're paralyzed by fear because you are a pussy. You are stupid. No
high-tech bomber or multi-billion dollar air defense system is going to stop
the terror cells already in our country, genius.

goddamn you're stupid.
Post by Mike Smith
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:12:42 GMT, "trim that bush"
Post by trim that bush
Zell Miller made Howard Dean look downright calm and composed. Miller
embarrassed himself during his tirade and even worse, challenged Chris
Matthews to a "dual" afterward. What an old coot. There were more old,
flabby-armed women and toothless fuddy-duddies who were out way past their
bedtime, than any convention I've ever watched. I know Mike Smith can
relate b/c he's paralyzed by the fear that FauxNews feeds him. He's too
stupid to be able to see it for what it is: TAKING ATTENTION AWAY FROM
BUSH'S DISMAL RECORD OF FAILURE.
Miller's a laughing stock.
Oh look, another fool who didn't read or watch the speech....
<Yawn>
Mike Smith
Post by trim that bush
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cv
n_miller_text_1&printer=1
Post by Mike Smith
Post by trim that bush
Post by Mike Smith
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.
Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to
shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security
but Americans need to know the facts.
The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes
against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.
The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's
Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator
Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.
The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those
Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles,
that Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and
this very city after 9/11.
I could go on and on and on: against the Patriot Missile that shot
down Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel; against the Aegis
air-defense cruiser; against the Strategic Defense Initiative; against
the Trident missile; against, against, against.
This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S.
Armed Forces?
U.S. forces armed with what?
Spitballs?
<end quote>
If you missed his speech, you really missed a passionate, old-time
barn-burner of a speech.
Mike Smith
http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/podhoretz.htm
Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic
Party second.
Post by Mike Smith
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.
http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html
Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.
"I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home,
a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family."
Zell Miller, talking about President Bush 9-1-2004
Mike Smith
2004-09-03 00:07:04 UTC
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:33:50 GMT, "trim that bush"
Post by trim that bush
If you were in Congress, you'd probably vote for every single weapons system
under the sun. Very pragmatic. I watched Miller shit himself. I'd be
pissed off too if I were a racist who walks around w/a steaming load in my
trousers.
Always voting for weaponry at the expense of the poor and uninsured is not
the right thing to do, dickhead. Are our deficits ok w/you too? Like I
said: you're paralyzed by fear because you are a pussy. You are stupid. No
high-tech bomber or multi-billion dollar air defense system is going to stop
the terror cells already in our country, genius.
goddamn you're stupid.
BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA..

Way funny....

Mike Smith


http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html

Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.

"I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home,
a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family."
Zell Miller, talking about President Bush 9-1-2004
Moorehead Johnson
2004-09-03 14:25:03 UTC
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Post by trim that bush
If you were in Congress, you'd probably vote for every single weapons system
under the sun. Very pragmatic. I watched Miller shit himself. I'd be
pissed off too if I were a racist who walks around w/a steaming load in my
trousers.
You mean Grand Dragon Democrat Senator Robert Byrd gave a speech at
the convention? Damn, and I missed it.
Post by trim that bush
Always voting for weaponry at the expense of the poor and uninsured is not
the right thing to do, dickhead.
How the fuck does a poor or uninsure person get a job if they are DEAD
at the hands of Islamo-fascist terrorists, FUCKHEAD?
Post by trim that bush
Are our deficits ok w/you too?
Can you cite for us the last time we were in a war and ran a budget
surplus?
Post by trim that bush
Like I
said: you're paralyzed by fear because you are a pussy. You are stupid. No
high-tech bomber or multi-billion dollar air defense system is going to stop
the terror cells already in our country, genius.
Pussy boy Kerry, in addition to wanting to gut the military, wanted to
gut intelligence, too, wussy-man. And those folks CAN and HAVE
stopped terrorists in our own country, thanks to the strength,
leadership and FUNDING from George W. Bush, the president for the next
four years. Stick that in your bong and smoke it, girlie man.

MJ
w***@hal-pc.org
2004-09-03 03:14:23 UTC
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Post by trim that bush
Zell Miller made Howard Dean look downright calm and composed. Miller
embarrassed himself during his tirade and even worse, challenged Chris
Matthews to a "dual" afterward. What an old coot. There were more old,
flabby-armed women and toothless fuddy-duddies who were out way past their
bedtime, than any convention I've ever watched. I know Mike Smith can
relate b/c he's paralyzed by the fear that FauxNews feeds him. He's too
stupid to be able to see it for what it is: TAKING ATTENTION AWAY FROM
BUSH'S DISMAL RECORD OF FAILURE.
Miller's a laughing stock.
Miller was calm and in control but angry. Whereas Dean and Gore both
were out of control and hysterical. Miller's speech is the type of
speech that in the tradition of politics. Research it (look at
political speeches from 1778-1960) and you will see that Sen. Millers
speech was on-par others from history.

As far as the duels goes, perhaps it would keep those who have a history
of uncivil behavor in line!

From your assertions it is clear that you are not some old fuddy-duddy-
who is out past their bed time but it is clear that you are up past the
curfew on minors with you silly comments.


MRC
Morgan Groves
2004-09-03 01:07:30 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
<stuff snipped>

Sounds to me like the same old bogus charges that desperate Publicans have
been putting out ever since it became clear that Kerry would win the
nomination. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp

Of course, you'll probably claim this is leftwing propaganda. We expect
that.
Mike Smith
2004-09-03 02:29:06 UTC
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Post by Morgan Groves
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
<stuff snipped>
Sounds to me like the same old bogus charges that desperate Publicans have
been putting out ever since it became clear that Kerry would win the
nomination. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp
Of course, you'll probably claim this is leftwing propaganda. We expect
that.
You stupid moron.

Did you even read the snopes report. It, in no way, disputed the fact
that kerry voted against the military spending as cited by Zell
Miller.

Mike Smith


http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html

Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.

"I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home,
a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family."
Zell Miller, talking about President Bush 9-1-2004
Morgan Groves
2004-09-03 03:48:47 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
Post by Morgan Groves
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
<stuff snipped>
Sounds to me like the same old bogus charges that desperate Publicans have
been putting out ever since it became clear that Kerry would win the
nomination. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp
Of course, you'll probably claim this is leftwing propaganda. We expect
that.
You stupid moron.
Did you even read the snopes report. It, in no way, disputed the fact
that kerry voted against the military spending as cited by Zell
Miller.
Mike Smith
Mike, my momma taught me a couple of aphorisms I should have remembered
before I responded to your blathering:
First, never get into a pissing contest with a skunk.
Second, never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed enemy.

sayonara.
Mike Smith
2004-09-03 08:49:47 UTC
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Post by Morgan Groves
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Morgan Groves
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
<stuff snipped>
Sounds to me like the same old bogus charges that desperate Publicans have
been putting out ever since it became clear that Kerry would win the
nomination. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp
Of course, you'll probably claim this is leftwing propaganda. We expect
that.
You stupid moron.
Did you even read the snopes report. It, in no way, disputed the fact
that kerry voted against the military spending as cited by Zell
Miller.
Mike Smith
Mike, my momma taught me a couple of aphorisms I should have remembered
First, never get into a pissing contest with a skunk.
Second, never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed enemy.
sayonara.
Too bad she didn't teach you how to comprehend what you read...

Mike Smith


http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html

Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.

"I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home,
a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family."
Zell Miller, talking about President Bush 9-1-2004
Motorblade
2004-09-03 13:26:36 UTC
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Too bad Bush couldn't get his own crowd as fired up as zell did...people were
yawning during shrubs speech.


"fritz"
http://www.londonskaters.com/interview_fritz_blaw.htm
www.motorblade.com
Birdy(Parker), Brazil(Gilliam),and Brewster McCloud(Altman)
Conan-the-conservative
2004-09-04 00:06:23 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Did you see the replay of the insane Zell Miller on MsNBC?

What a loon! The hate-filled, redfaced, anger-based Miller wanted to
challenge his Hardball host to a duel! Really, it happened on live TV.

An amazing, a sickening, an eye-opening and all too real portrait of the
core values of the whacko Republican Right hate-mongers who are running
the Bush administration.
Action
2004-09-04 01:17:18 UTC
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:06:23 GMT, Conan-the-conservative
Post by Conan-the-conservative
An amazing, a sickening, an eye-opening and all too real portrait of the
core values of the whacko Republican Right hate-mongers who are running
the Bush administration.
Zell is a DEMOCRAT. BTW, why don't you challenge some fo the things
he SAID rather than his "character"?
mh
2004-09-04 08:08:04 UTC
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Post by Action
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:06:23 GMT, Conan-the-conservative
Post by Conan-the-conservative
An amazing, a sickening, an eye-opening and all too real portrait of the
core values of the whacko Republican Right hate-mongers who are running
the Bush administration.
Zell is a DEMOCRAT. BTW, why don't you challenge some fo the things
he SAID rather than his "character"?
Maybe because everything he said was either lies, half-truths or just
plain bullshit.

But hey, you live for that kind of stuff, so who cares, right?
Action
2004-09-04 15:53:54 UTC
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Post by mh
Post by Action
Zell is a DEMOCRAT. BTW, why don't you challenge some fo the things
he SAID rather than his "character"?
Maybe because everything he said was either lies, half-truths or just
plain bullshit.
But hey, you live for that kind of stuff, so who cares, right?
So why don't you point out some SPECIFICS? Oh, that's right, you
can't.

POINT PROVEN

LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH
LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH

LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH

LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH

LAUGH LAUGH
LAUGH LAUGH
LAUGH LAUGH
mh
2004-09-04 19:13:11 UTC
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Post by Action
Post by mh
Post by Action
Zell is a DEMOCRAT. BTW, why don't you challenge some fo the things
he SAID rather than his "character"?
Maybe because everything he said was either lies, half-truths or just
plain bullshit.
But hey, you live for that kind of stuff, so who cares, right?
So why don't you point out some SPECIFICS? Oh, that's right, you
can't.
Sure I can. ZigZagZell said Kerry voted against specific weapons
systems, when point in truth he voted against larger spending bills
those weapons systems were included under. ZigZagZell also forgot to
mention that those same weapons systems were opposed by George H.W.
Bush and Dick Cheney.

Let's see, what else? Oh yeah -- OI' ZigZag said Kerry would require
U.N. approval for any military action, yet that is exactly the
*opposite* of what Kerry said in his DNC speech.

Then there's the whole "occupiers" thing. Zell gets mighty mad if
Kerry uses that word to describe U.S. forces in Iraq, but conveniently
forgets that W and Dick have used the *exact same language* to
describe our presence there.

(He also conveniently forgets that three years ago, he lavished praise
on Kerry. Good ol' ZigZag -- living up to his name.)

There's plenty more where that came from, Nelly Boy. But rather than
embarass you more, I'll let you crawl back under your rock.
Post by Action
POINT PROVEN
Yes, you've proven the point quite well -- you're an idiot.
Action
2004-09-04 21:20:32 UTC
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Post by mh
Post by Action
Post by mh
Post by Action
Zell is a DEMOCRAT. BTW, why don't you challenge some fo the things
he SAID rather than his "character"?
Maybe because everything he said was either lies, half-truths or just
plain bullshit.
But hey, you live for that kind of stuff, so who cares, right?
So why don't you point out some SPECIFICS? Oh, that's right, you
can't.
Sure I can. ZigZagZell said Kerry voted against specific weapons
systems, when point in truth he voted against larger spending bills
those weapons systems were included under. ZigZagZell also forgot to
mention that those same weapons systems were opposed by George H.W.
Bush and Dick Cheney.
Poor attempt at weasel wording. John F'ing Kerry is ANTI-MILITARY!
Post by mh
Post by Action
POINT PROVEN
Yes, you've proven the point quite well -- you're an idiot.
And you're a dimoRAT ass kisser.
mh
2004-09-04 21:30:28 UTC
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Post by Action
Post by mh
Post by Action
Post by mh
Post by Action
Zell is a DEMOCRAT. BTW, why don't you challenge some fo the things
he SAID rather than his "character"?
Maybe because everything he said was either lies, half-truths or just
plain bullshit.
But hey, you live for that kind of stuff, so who cares, right?
So why don't you point out some SPECIFICS? Oh, that's right, you
can't.
Sure I can. ZigZagZell said Kerry voted against specific weapons
systems, when point in truth he voted against larger spending bills
those weapons systems were included under. ZigZagZell also forgot to
mention that those same weapons systems were opposed by George H.W.
Bush and Dick Cheney.
Poor attempt at weasel wording. John F'ing Kerry is ANTI-MILITARY!
Yes, ZigZagZell did make a poor attempt at weasel wording, aided by
incompent tools at GOP HQ. You have no proof that Kerry is any more
anti-military than Cheney or GHW Bush. All you've got is talking
points from your puppet masters at the RNC. Those and a dollar won't
buy you a cup of warm spit in the real world, Nellyboy.
CJT
2004-09-04 22:36:19 UTC
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mh wrote:

<snip>

Those and a dollar won't
Post by mh
buy you a cup of warm spit in the real world, Nellyboy.
Anybody needing a cup of warm spit and willing to pay a dollar for it,
please contact me -- I may be able to help you.
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Action
2004-09-04 22:56:00 UTC
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Post by mh
Yes, ZigZagZell did make a poor attempt at weasel wording, aided by
incompent tools at GOP HQ. You have no proof that Kerry is any more
anti-military than Cheney or GHW Bush. All you've got is talking
points from your puppet masters at the RNC. Those and a dollar won't
buy you a cup of warm spit in the real world, Nellyboy.
Oh, John F'ing Kerry is "pro-military".

In June 1971, Le Duc Tho arrived in Paris to join the North Vietnamese

Communist delegation to the peace talks. His arrival marked a sea
change
in the Communists' approach to advancing their goals via negotiations.

Le Duc Tho was with Ho Chi Minh one of the original founders of the
Communist Party of Indochina, one of North Vietnam's chief
strategists.

He arrived to join a comrade, Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, who had been a
member of the Central Committee for the National Front for the
Liberation of the South, and was now Foreign Minister of the
Provisional
Revolutionary Government (PRG) of South Vietnam. The military arm of
the
PRG was widely known as the Viet Cong, just as Madame Binh was widely
recognized as the Viet Cong delegate to the conference.

On July 1, 1971, within days of Le Duc Tho's arrival, Madame Binh
advanced a new 7-Point Proposal to end the war. Central to this plan
was
a cleverly crafted provision offering to set a date for the return of
U.S. prisoners of war in exchange for the Americans setting a date for

complete, unilateral military withdrawal from Vietnam. In other words,

America could have her POWs back only if we would agree we lost,
surrender, and set a date to leave.

About one year earlier, two young Americans had also come to Paris,
arguably for their honeymoon -- John Kerry, a young, clean-shaven Navy

war veteran, accompanied by his new wife, the former Julia Thorne,
whose
lineage traced back to George Washington.

But honeymooning was not John Kerry's only purpose in traveling to
Paris. Kerry's presidential campaign has now acknowledged that he
"talked privately with a leading communist representative" there.

On April 22, 1971, as he testified before Senator Fulbright's
Committee
on Foreign Relations, John Kerry mentioned that in Paris he had
meetings
with "both sides" of the Paris Peace Talks. The strong likelihood is
that John Kerry also met with Le Duc Tho, or some other representative

of the North Vietnamese delegation, in addition to Madame Binh who was

in Paris representing the PRG. There is no reason to assume John Kerry

had any interest in meeting with representatives of the other two
sides
in the Peace Talks -- the United States or South Vietnam.

Madame Binh's proposal was carefully crafted to send a strong
emotional
message to the American home front; that the only barrier to having
our
POWs returned was America's own unwillingness to set a date to
withdraw
-- even if the proposed withdrawal amounted to a defeat. The 7-Point
Proposal directly challenged the South Vietnamese proposal to set a
date
for a truce and a free election designed to reunify Vietnam. The PRG
and
the Viet Cong clearly agreed with the Premier of Communist China, Cho
En-lai that complete withdrawal of American military forces from
Vietnam
was the only precondition that would be discussed.

On July 22, 1971, John Kerry called a press conference in Washington,
D.C. Speaking on behalf of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW),
Kerry openly urged President Nixon to accept Madame Binh's 7-Point
plan.

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040421205043310

He just doesn't happen to be pro AMERICAN military.

Are you one of the Viet Cong Veterans for Kerry?
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2004-09-04 09:16:58 UTC
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Post by Action
Zell is a DEMOCRAT.
It would be more accurate to say that he calls himself a Democrat.

GW Bush calls himself compassionate.

Calling yourself something doesn't make you that thing.
Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-04 04:34:01 UTC
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Post by Conan-the-conservative
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Did you see the replay of the insane Zell Miller on MsNBC?
What a loon! The hate-filled, redfaced, anger-based Miller wanted to
challenge his Hardball host to a duel! Really, it happened on live TV.
He simply should have shot the fucker dead!
Post by Conan-the-conservative
An amazing, a sickening, an eye-opening and all too real portrait of the
core values of the whacko Republican Right hate-mongers who are running
the Bush administration.
Are you sure that you did not arrive at that description based on your
last look in the mirror?
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Grumpy au Contraire
2004-09-04 18:00:34 UTC
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Post by Conan-the-conservative
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Did you see the replay of the insane Zell Miller on MsNBC?
What a loon! The hate-filled, redfaced, anger-based Miller wanted to
challenge his Hardball host to a duel! Really, it happened on live TV.
An amazing, a sickening, an eye-opening and all too real portrait of the
core values of the whacko Republican Right hate-mongers who are running
the Bush administration.
Seems to me that the Democrats appear to have no core values these days...
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Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2004-09-04 19:02:49 UTC
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In article <***@doofis.FAKEcom>, ***@doofis.FAKEcom
says...
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Seems to me that the Democrats appear to have no core values these days...
Other than the Golden Rule and the Bill of Rights.
cory
2004-09-05 03:59:54 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
says...
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Seems to me that the Democrats appear to have no core values these days...
Other than the Golden Rule and the Bill of Rights.
Around 70% of all Democrats polled are against the war in Iraq, but they
nominated a candidate who voted for it, and is running on a campaign of
national strength. Tell me about Democrats and their core values.
CJT
2004-09-05 05:08:08 UTC
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Post by cory
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
says...
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Seems to me that the Democrats appear to have no core values these days...
Other than the Golden Rule and the Bill of Rights.
Around 70% of all Democrats polled are against the war in Iraq, but they
nominated a candidate who voted for it, and is running on a campaign of
national strength. Tell me about Democrats and their core values.
National strength didn't require war on Iraq. But now that we're there,
the situation is different from how it was before we destabilized it.
There's no contradiction.

Nor is there a contradiction in voting for the bill that was before
congress and being against unilateral pre-emptive war.

BTW, where does that 70% figure come from?
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cory
2004-09-05 13:27:36 UTC
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Post by CJT
BTW, where does that 70% figure come from?
Geez, man, read ANY national presidential poll.
CJT
2004-09-05 22:07:20 UTC
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Post by cory
Post by CJT
BTW, where does that 70% figure come from?
Geez, man, read ANY national presidential poll.
Probably 70% think it was the wrong thing to do. However, now that
we're in, I think most believe we are responsible for bringing it
to an acceptable finish.
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2004-09-04 20:55:47 UTC
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Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by Conan-the-conservative
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Did you see the replay of the insane Zell Miller on MsNBC?
What a loon! The hate-filled, redfaced, anger-based Miller wanted to
challenge his Hardball host to a duel! Really, it happened on live TV.
An amazing, a sickening, an eye-opening and all too real portrait of the
core values of the whacko Republican Right hate-mongers who are running
the Bush administration.
Seems to me that the Democrats appear to have no core values these days...
At least the Democrats have decency. Republicans this season seem
willing to say anything, without regard for the truth.
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2004-09-05 08:16:43 UTC
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Post by CJT
Post by Grumpy au Contraire
Post by Conan-the-conservative
Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_miller_text_1&printer=1
Did you see the replay of the insane Zell Miller on MsNBC?
What a loon! The hate-filled, redfaced, anger-based Miller wanted to
challenge his Hardball host to a duel! Really, it happened on live TV.
An amazing, a sickening, an eye-opening and all too real portrait of the
core values of the whacko Republican Right hate-mongers who are running
the Bush administration.
Seems to me that the Democrats appear to have no core values these days...
At least the Democrats have decency. Republicans this season seem
willing to say anything, without regard for the truth.
That's the funniest thing that I've heard this week... Congratulations!
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Mapanari
2004-09-16 03:05:05 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
A snippet from Zell Miller's speech last night
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Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the
Democratic Party second. This has totally confused the rest of the
Democratic Party.
Zell showed America what is was like to have a true American politician
around instead of the pandering, homosexual back-biting slick sly lawyer-type
politicians of today.
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